1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,000 Stargazing scientists at NASA are confident that when the next few decades humans will discover the very first signs of extraterrestrial life. 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:14,000 Yet some believe it's entirely possible alien craft have already visited Earth. 3 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,000 Large black flying object. 4 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:21,000 Hey calm down calm down. 5 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,000 But extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. 6 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:33,000 In this series I'm going to investigate some of the most remarkable and recent UFO sightings from around the world. 7 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,000 They saw something really strange in the sky that day. 8 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:43,000 And I'll be joined by renowned astrophysicist and space journalist Sarah Cruders. 9 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:49,000 The thing is with something so extraordinary like this we've got to look at all the more logical explanations. 10 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,000 I still think this can be explained by science. 11 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:56,000 As together we'll separate back from fiction once and for all. 12 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,000 That is an unidentified flying object. 13 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,000 I knew you were going to say that and yes it is. 14 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,000 It's one of the greatest UFO mysteries of all time. 15 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,000 From our specially created UFO investigation hub we'll speak to experts. 16 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:14,000 We have no conventional explanation for what we are seeing here. 17 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,000 Whistle blowers. 18 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:22,000 Anytime you step out of ranks in an organization like mine there's obviously going to be some repercussions. 19 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,000 And first hand witnesses. 20 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,000 There was this massive boomerang. 21 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,000 It was at least a mile to a mile and a half wide. 22 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,000 It was huge. 23 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,000 Wow that's just spooked me now. 24 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,000 And finally answer the big question. 25 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,000 Are we alone in the universe? 26 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,000 Whatever they are they're not of this world. 27 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:56,000 The question of whether UFOs exist has been the source of fascination for over 50 years. 28 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,000 And in this time a pattern has emerged. 29 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:05,000 The strong link between some of our biggest military installations and sightings of UFOs. 30 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:12,000 There's a track record of encounters between UFOs and the military. 31 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:17,000 Whether it's aircraft in the skies or military bases on the ground. 32 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,000 But these interactions have been going on for decades. 33 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:33,000 Recent reports indicate that UFOs enter US military designated airspace at least once a month. 34 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:41,000 And the fact these incursions are being witnessed by highly trained military personnel adds significant credibility. 35 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:51,000 In 2019 unidentified objects hovered motionless above the ocean. 36 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,000 While US Navy fighter jets race past them capturing these images. 37 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:08,000 The Pentagon later admitted they were authentic and the subject of ongoing investigations. 38 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:14,000 It could potentially involve safety and or national security concerns absolutely. 39 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:24,000 In 1994 a UFO was captured on camera by a radar tracking system at Nellis Air Force Base in the Nevada desert. 40 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:30,000 The astonishing video evidence was subsequently leaked to the press. 41 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:37,000 But one of the most famous UFO cases of all time took place much closer to home in 1980. 42 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:47,000 A remote pine forest in Suffolk was the scene of the most significant UFO sighting on British soil. 43 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,000 Boxing day 1980 3 a.m. 44 00:03:55,000 --> 00:04:03,000 US military personnel were on patrol at an RAF airbase when they noticed strange lights descending into Rendlesham Forest. 45 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:09,000 Servicemen left their base and as they approached the scene they saw a strange object ahead. 46 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,000 Three meters tall and three meters wide smooth and glowing. 47 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:20,000 As they closed in what appeared to be a craft darted away through the trees. 48 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:30,000 As dawn broke the military and police discovered broken branches and three small radioactive triangular impressions on the ground. 49 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:39,000 The news of this eerie event reached a bemused deputy commander of the base Lieutenant Colonel Charles Holt and other personnel. 50 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:44,000 But even their military training couldn't prepare them for what happened next. 51 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:50,000 A close encounter with something unlike anything they'd ever seen before. 52 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,000 A few days later 53 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,000 Sarah something obviously unusual went on. 54 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,000 This is the Holy Grail of UK UFO sightings more than four decades on. 55 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,000 It's still not been solved. 56 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,000 Why hasn't it been solved? I mean the military with the heart of this encounter. 57 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,000 As far as I know it never came back. 58 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,000 But it did. 59 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,000 It's a bit of a mystery. 60 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,000 A couple of days later they went into the woods again looking for evidence. 61 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,000 Scorch marks and broken trees took an audio recorder with them. 62 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,000 To catalogue what they found. 63 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:30,000 But Lieutenant Colonel Charles Holt saw it again and this is an audio recording of that encounter. 64 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,000 Okay stop stop. 65 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,000 Hey this is Eerie. 66 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,000 This is strange. 67 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,000 You just saw a light up there. 68 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,000 Where? 69 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,000 Right at this position here. 70 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:45,000 Straight ahead in between. 71 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,000 There it is again. 72 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,000 There it is. I see it too. 73 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,000 What is it? 74 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,000 There's no doubt about it. 75 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,000 Just some type of strange flashed red light in here. 76 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,000 Weird. 77 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,000 It's coming this way. 78 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,000 It's definitely coming this way. 79 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,000 It's a little shine on. 80 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,000 There is no doubt about it. 81 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,000 This is weird. 82 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,000 There's a light. 83 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,000 It's flashed lights off. 84 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,000 There's something very very strange. 85 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,000 Strange. 86 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,000 Here he comes from the south. 87 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:20,000 He's coming towards us now. 88 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,000 I don't know if something would appear to be a beam coming down to the ground. 89 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,000 This is unreal. 90 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,000 Well that is chilling. 91 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,000 It is. It feels like you're listening to a horror movie. 92 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,000 It's like a train to be in difficult situations. 93 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,000 Yeah I'm genuinely a bit freaked out. 94 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,000 Let's face it these guys work in an Air Force base. 95 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,000 They know what aircraft look like. 96 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,000 And they're saying that was weird. 97 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,000 Not weird but weird. 98 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,000 Not strange but strange. 99 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,000 I mean they're really emphasizing the unusualness of this. 100 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,000 There's definitely something out there that is not off this world. 101 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,000 We know something strange went on. 102 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,000 But there's not enough proof and that's the problem with this. 103 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,000 It's not solved but it is very compelling. 104 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,000 OK so 40 years on how do we add to this? 105 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,000 How do we find evidence and proof? 106 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,000 We need to speak to experts and we also need to try and find someone from the military. 107 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,000 Someone who was there that night and witnessed it firsthand. 108 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,000 That's going to be key to solving this. 109 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,000 OK who do we talk to first? 110 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,000 Well we need to speak to Nick Pope, former MOD investigator, UFO expert. 111 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,000 And what he doesn't know about this case isn't worth knowing. 112 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,000 We're really excited about this. 113 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,000 We have audio recording of the Rendlesham incident. 114 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,000 You're our man in the know. 115 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,000 Tell us all you know about the incident and its aftermath. 116 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,000 Well this was December 1980. 117 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:54,000 Two US military bases on British soil and Rendlesham Forest lies between them. 118 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:59,000 And these encounters happened over three separate nights. 119 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:09,000 One of the witnesses on the first night said that when this thing landed and then subsequently took off again, 120 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:17,000 it accelerated away at a phenomenal rate and of course all these people were used to seeing fast jets. 121 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:23,000 And he just wrote down in his police notebook, speed impossible. 122 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:32,000 Now on the last night of activity, yeah, the witnesses included Lieutenant Colonel Charles Holt. 123 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:41,000 He went out into the forest skeptical about all this, saw the UFO himself and as you've heard, encountered it. 124 00:08:53,000 --> 00:09:07,000 It's just such a great case in terms of multiple witnesses, military witnesses, declassified government file, I mean everything you could want. 125 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,000 Well it sounds like it's a slam dunk case, doesn't it? 126 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:17,000 I mean, it seems obvious to me that would say aliens existed. 127 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,000 In terms of evidence, it doesn't get much better than this. 128 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:33,000 Now I can't quite push you over the line with this because even those of us at the Ministry of Defence who looked at this and our counterparts in the United States, 129 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:38,000 we didn't find any definitive proof that this was extraterrestrial. 130 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:50,000 But it's kind of like flipping it the other way around and saying we ruled out all the conventional explanations so we're left with a genuine mystery. 131 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:56,000 The lights that they're seeing in the woods, what could they possibly be? 132 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:07,000 That's a real mystery because the colours and the configuration, the flashing or whatever, it doesn't correlate to, for example, aircraft lights. 133 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:15,000 You wrote a book on this subject and it had to actually be cleared by the MOD before it was published. 134 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:22,000 Yes, actually the book needed Department of Defence security clearance in the US too. 135 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:28,000 I mean I take my security oath seriously, I don't want to inadvertently disclose classified information. 136 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,000 How much information haven't they declassified? How much couldn't you tell us? 137 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,000 There are still things that can't be revealed. 138 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:48,000 So for example, the Commander-in-Chief of the United States Air Force in Europe flew specially to the bases, was briefed on this incident, 139 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:56,000 took possession of various items of evidence and took them back to his headquarters in Ramstein, Germany. 140 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:06,000 And the MOD file shows how angry we were about this, that items of evidence pertaining to the investigation were removed and not shared with the UK. 141 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:16,000 We don't know what they did with it, we don't know what they concluded and we don't know where it is now. 142 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:22,000 Was this physical evidence, could this been anything like part of a craft? 143 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:30,000 We don't know for sure, we know that it does include soil samples taken from the landing site. 144 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,000 Some of the radar operators have gone on the record. 145 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:39,000 They tracked what they call an uncorrelated target. 146 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:47,000 But the raw data itself, the original radar tapes, gone. 147 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,000 Wow. 148 00:11:50,000 --> 00:12:00,000 Just to play devil's advocate slightly, I know I can be a bit of a killjoy with this, but is it not possible it's just a downed Russian satellite or some sort of foreign technology? 149 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,000 We can't completely rule that out. 150 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:09,000 Have you ever heard of a downed Russian satellite flying upwards at an impossible speed? 151 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,000 No I haven't. 152 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,000 Do you know more about this than you're able to tell us? 153 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:22,000 I, it's a difficult question actually to answer, I know a little bit more but I don't want to tease you. 154 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,000 I don't want to imply I know the answer to this because I don't, I genuinely don't. 155 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:32,000 There are some things that have not yet been released. 156 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:38,000 For example, the issue of the radiation at the landing site is extremely sensitive. 157 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:55,000 Some of the witnesses who got close to this thing said that they think health issues that they've had have been attributable to that and there has been a settlement with the Veterans Administration in the US over this. 158 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:00,000 Senators got involved, the US government got involved. 159 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:11,000 Some of the witnesses were asked for their blood samples, DNA samples, looking at whether there were physiological changes. 160 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,000 That's about all I can say on that. 161 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:22,000 But if the government are doing things like that, checking if someone's DNA has been altered, something, something must have happened, something must have been there. 162 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,000 Yes I think so, undeniably. 163 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,000 Well what do you make of that? 164 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:38,000 Well Americans nicked our soil, stole all the physical evidence and flew it off to Germany. 165 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:46,000 It is interesting though that someone was investigating this and taking physical evidence, it shows that the MOD, the CIA, whoever else was taking this seriously. 166 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,000 And then later on they've blood-tested people who came into contact with the site. 167 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,000 So with all this going on, why isn't this down as case-proved? 168 00:13:54,000 --> 00:14:00,000 What I find interesting is journalists were covering this story. People tried to solve this at the time, but as yet it remains unsolved. 169 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,000 Where do we go next? 170 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:10,000 We've got a lot of potentially credible evidence but actually I want to rule a lot of stuff out because if we can rule a lot of stuff out, we're left with the more extraordinary explanation. 171 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,000 So I want to speak to a journalist who covered this from the beginning. 172 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,000 Coming up. 173 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:24,000 What I don't understand is why 40 years on we still haven't got to the bottom of this mystery. 174 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,000 A revelation brings everything crashing back down to earth. 175 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,000 Well when he told me his answer I nearly fell off my chair. 176 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,000 I'm just going to sit down a minute because I think you've just bashed my balloon a bit. 177 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,000 Speechless. 178 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:47,000 One of the biggest and to this day still unexplained sightings of the modern era happened deep in the forests of Rendlesham Suffolk. 179 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:58,000 In 1980, US Air Force base personnel got up close and personal with what they were convinced was an alien craft. 180 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,000 There it is again. 181 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,000 Watch. 182 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,000 Throw the head off my slasher. 183 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,000 There it is. 184 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,000 I see it too. 185 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,000 What is it? 186 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,000 We don't know, sir. 187 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:16,000 This case is a standout example of a seemingly undeniable connection between UFOs and the United States military. 188 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,000 It's a military. 189 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,000 It's a military. 190 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:28,000 Our investigation so far has proven a remarkable encounter really did occur in Rendlesham Forest. 191 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,000 It appears that he made a balloon a bit this way. 192 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,000 Yes, it's right on the house bed. 193 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,000 Bill, it's coming this way. 194 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:40,000 But the question remains, was it of extraterrestrial origin or man-made? 195 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,000 Okay, so let's have a look at what we've got. 196 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:54,000 American Air Force Base noticed some strange lights going in to Rendlesham Woods. 197 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,000 Okay? 198 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,000 Yeah. 199 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:00,000 We sent a Lieutenant Colonel Charles Holt to investigate. 200 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,000 And we've got the audio recording of that. 201 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,000 I've got the transcript here. 202 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:09,000 He says, there's no doubt there's some type of strange red flashing light. 203 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,000 Weird. 204 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,000 It's coming this way. 205 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,000 It's definitely coming this way. 206 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,000 Peters of it is shooting off. 207 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,000 There's no doubt about it. 208 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,000 This is weird. 209 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,000 To the left, definitely moving. 210 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,000 Two lights, one light just behind and one light to the left. 211 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,000 Keep your flashlights off. 212 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,000 There's something very, very strange. 213 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,000 This reads like a horror film. 214 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,000 It is chilling. 215 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:31,000 And then Lieutenant Colonel Charles Holt wrote a memo to the Ministry of Defence. 216 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,000 It's known as the Holt Memo. 217 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,000 This is famous. 218 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,000 So the MOD are taking this seriously? 219 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:46,000 So seriously, in fact, the former chief of the UK Defence Staff, Lord Peter Hill Norton, 220 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:52,000 wrote the MOD to ask them to clarify what steps were being taken to investigate the Rendlesham incident. 221 00:16:54,000 --> 00:17:01,000 What I don't understand is why 40 years on, we still haven't got to the bottom of this mystery. 222 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:05,000 It's one of the greatest mysteries of all UFO sightings of all time. 223 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,000 And I think we need to rule things out, do a process of elimination. 224 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,000 So how do we go about this? 225 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,000 Well, we need to speak to a journalist. 226 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,000 The media picked up on this story. 227 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:16,000 The MOD actually released a press release and it was front page news at the time. 228 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:22,000 And this guy Ian Ridpaff, he is a science journalist and he was one of the first people to report on this. 229 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:27,000 Listen, Rendlesham's been part of your life for what, say 40 years? 230 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,000 Am I right to be getting excited about this? 231 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:34,000 At the time, you would have been yes, because as you said, it was front page news. 232 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,000 One of the great headlines, isn't it? 233 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,000 UFO lands in Suffolk and that's official. 234 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:45,000 And when I saw that, I thought, well, I really have to look into this and find out what actually happened. 235 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:55,000 And the report spoke of a bright flashing light between, seen between the trees at the eastern edge of Rendlesham Forest in Suffolk. 236 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,000 And seen on at least two separate nights. 237 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,000 That's a strange, small red light. 238 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,000 There is no doubt about it. 239 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,000 There's some type of strange flashing red light ahead. 240 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,000 Weird. 241 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:16,000 So to try and find out what it might have been, I rang the local forestry office. 242 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:25,000 And I spoke to a young forestry and I asked him what he thought it might have been that they'd seen. 243 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:31,000 And well, when he told me his answer, I nearly fell off my chair. 244 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,000 He said, I think it's the lighthouse. 245 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:45,000 Now, in all the reports in the news papers, no one had said anything about a lighthouse. 246 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:50,000 I didn't know anything about a lighthouse, because I thought, well, I really have to go there and see it for myself. 247 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:54,000 I think that's the answer to what they saw. 248 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:01,000 There are other parts of the case as well, which I continued to investigate. 249 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,000 Why had they gone out into the forest in the first place? 250 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:08,000 They said they thought they'd seen something crashing. 251 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:14,000 I know from experience that bright fireballs can give that impression. 252 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:18,000 That is a natural piece of space junk burning up in the atmosphere. 253 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,000 So 100 miles up, it looks as though it's much, much closer. 254 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:26,000 That was almost certainly what they saw, triggered the whole thing. 255 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,000 They thought something had crashed in the forest. 256 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,000 They went out to look for it. 257 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:37,000 They saw this flashing light between the trees, which they hadn't expected, because they'd never been out there before. 258 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:41,000 And they put two and two together and made rather too much of it. 259 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:47,000 Ian, I'm just going to sit down a minute, because I think you've heard just, you've just bashed my balloon a bit. 260 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:57,000 Two nights later, they called out their superior officer, Colonel Holt, who went out there with a tape recorder and a small party of men. 261 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:02,000 One of the men pointed out to Holt, this flashing light in the distance. 262 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,000 And as they went towards it, they were moving between the trees. 263 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,000 The light appears to move between the trees. 264 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:12,000 Well, that's the direction of the Orford Nest Lighthouse. 265 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,000 On Colonel Holt's tape, you can hear the men calling out the flashes. 266 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,000 There it is. There it is again. 267 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,000 Five second gap. 268 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,000 That's the flash rate of the Orford Nest Lighthouse. 269 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:36,000 Later in the night, he saw other lights, bright starlight lights, he called them. 270 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,000 They twinkled, colours. 271 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,000 And they hovered for several hours. 272 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:47,000 Well, again, from my experience of investigating UFOs, I know that star-like objects, which hover and twinkle, 273 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,000 are almost certainly stars. 274 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:59,000 And he specifically picked out one to the southwest, which was where the brightest star in the sky, Sirius, was setting. 275 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:05,000 So you're trying to tell me that this whole incident is basically a lighthouse and the dog star. 276 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,000 And that's all it is. 277 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,000 It's a combination of three things. 278 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:14,000 And the interesting thing about the case is that you have these three quite separate stimuli. 279 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,000 The bright fireball that brought them out there on the first night. 280 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:25,000 Then the lighthouse and the bright stars, you put them all together and you have this wonderful case. 281 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,000 And it's like so many UFO cases. 282 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:34,000 It's a misidentification of normal stimuli, things that we can quite easily identify. 283 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,000 Oh, that stopped me at my tracks. 284 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,000 Yeah. 285 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,000 And does Colonel Holt agree with your interpretation of events? 286 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,000 Oh, no, he doesn't. It would be embarrassing, wouldn't it? 287 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,000 I think he's not his man, but he's made an honest mistake. 288 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,000 He's a UFO celebrity. 289 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,000 He doesn't want to give that up. 290 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,000 Speechless. 291 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,000 Well, that's really based my bubble that has. 292 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,000 When I started the show, I said this was going to be a slam dunk. 293 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,000 No. 294 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,000 I thought that we were going to eventually prove that aliens exist. 295 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,000 Having spoken to Ian, I'm seriously conflicted now. 296 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:16,000 And this is the photograph of his website which shows Lieutenant Colonel Holt's point of view. 297 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,000 And you can see the lighthouse in the distance. 298 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,000 The aliens didn't know the lighthouse existed, and that's why he was confused about the flashing lights. 299 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:27,000 I mean, Ian's given a very plausible and a very scientific explanation to what happened. 300 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,000 But we've got these MOD reports. 301 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,000 We've got credible witnesses. 302 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,000 These are highly trained military personnel. 303 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,000 It doesn't make sense to me why they'd be so confused. 304 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,000 Something doesn't add up to me. 305 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,000 I think we need to track down Colonel Holt. 306 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,000 I agree. 307 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,000 He led the investigation into this. 308 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,000 He was there. 309 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,000 Coming up. 310 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,000 The military personnel are saying, hey, what is that? 311 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,000 Is it a helicopter? 312 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,000 Is it a balloon? 313 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:59,000 Another notorious UFO incident, close to a secret military base, this time in America. 314 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:05,000 Which may well have a bearing on the mysterious events at Rendlesham in December 1980. 315 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,000 It's moving like an insect. 316 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,000 Like a bee or something, but you couldn't pile it something like that. 317 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:15,000 Within government and military circles, there are people who are too afraid to come forward. 318 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,000 They're too afraid, yes. 319 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:28,000 During the last 75 years, there's been a multitude of reports by the military of anomalous flying objects. 320 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:35,000 It's only been in recent years, however, since the Pentagon confirmed in September 2019 321 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:42,000 that this very footage captured by the US Navy between 2004 and 2015 is authentic, 322 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,000 but many are finally coming to light. 323 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:57,000 But why is it that UFOs appear to be persistently attracted to our military? 324 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:01,000 And do they pose a threat to our national security? 325 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:08,000 As we endeavour to find out, there's a particular case that has caught our attention. 326 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:13,000 The Rendlesham UFO incident is as remarkable as it is mystifying. 327 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:21,000 US military personnel reporting how they came face to face with an alien craft 40 years ago on UK soil. 328 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,000 Make this sighting extraordinary. 329 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,000 Here he comes from the south. He's coming toward us now. 330 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:33,000 I don't know if something like this appears to be a beam coming down to the ground. 331 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,000 This is unreal. 332 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,000 Okay, so let's look at what we've got. 333 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,000 Military base sees some bright lights smashing into Rendlesham Woods. 334 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:54,000 They go and investigate and they see something that they think is out of this world is very, very strange. 335 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,000 Weird. Yeah, it's strange. 336 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,000 Small red light. There is no doubt about it. 337 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,000 Just sometimes strange flashing red light ahead. Weird. 338 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,000 And then a journalist investigates and he says it's a series of unconnected incidents. 339 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:17,000 He says it's a fireball, it's a lighthouse and it's serious the dog star in the sky. 340 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:23,000 Do you know one thing that puzzles me is how come so many UFO sightings are by military bases? 341 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:29,000 It's a great question. It all started with Area 51 and we've had numerous sightings by military bases over the years. 342 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,000 And I caught up with Nick Pope, our man on the inside, about why this happens. 343 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,000 What's the relationship between military bases and UFOs? 344 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,000 Because there seems to be a plethora of UFO sightings near military bases. 345 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:47,000 UFOs are undeniably seen very close to military bases. 346 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,000 Believers say that's because aliens are studying us. 347 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,000 Skeptics say, come on, that just proves it's military tech. 348 00:25:55,000 --> 00:26:00,000 So in terms of Nellis Air Force Base, there was some significant sightings there. 349 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:05,000 Yes, I mean this really is the Area 51 story. 350 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:13,000 I mean Area 51 is part of the Nellis Air Force Base and the wider proving grounds around it 351 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:19,000 where all sorts of secret technologies are developed and test flow. 352 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,000 But of course over the years, believers say it goes further than that. 353 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:34,000 People say the US government has recovered alien technology and Area 51 is where it's being either stored and or back engineered 354 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,000 so we can construct our own. 355 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:43,000 This really became a big deal in the 90s where this became part of popular culture. 356 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:55,000 And in particular there was a video that emerged and it showed what some people said was a UFO in terms of an alien spacecraft. 357 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:10,000 There's a group of Dutch experts who have looked at it. 358 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:15,000 They've done a phenomenal amount of research on this video. 359 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,000 They've slowed it down, they've enlarged it. 360 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,000 Can you describe what's in the footage? 361 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:33,000 It rapidly moves from side to side in a way that implies speeds and G-forces that would be problematic for us. 362 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:41,000 And it shows this undeniably solid, structured craft. 363 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:50,000 And the other thing is that there's some audio with this video because some of the military personnel are saying, 364 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,000 hey what is that? Is it a helicopter or is it a balloon? 365 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,000 And then suddenly it's like, no, no, it's not behaving like that at all. 366 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,000 Where is it? 367 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,000 It's right here. 368 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,000 It's right in the middle of the area. 369 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,000 It's in the middle of the area. 370 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,000 Are we going to go up? 371 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,000 Yes. 372 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:29,000 So who are the witnesses on the video? 373 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:35,000 Well, not all of them have come forward because they were not authorized to speak on the record. 374 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:42,000 That's problematic in evidential terms for sure, but it's somebody who's worked in that classified world. 375 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,000 It's understandable as well. 376 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:52,000 Within government and military circles, there are people who are too afraid to come forward about what they've experienced. 377 00:28:52,000 --> 00:29:03,000 They're too afraid, yes, frightened in terms of if they discuss something or release something and it turns out that it's classified. 378 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,000 That's a criminal offense. 379 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:18,000 The UFO sighting over the Nevada desert in 1994 has been followed by further, more recent sightings. 380 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:23,000 Some reported as recently as this year by members of the public. 381 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:29,000 The Nellis Fussage is really interesting. Can we have a closer look at that? 382 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:36,000 Because it almost looks like it's moving like an insect, like a bee or something, but you couldn't pile it something like that. 383 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:41,000 I mean, the G-forces would be impossible, so it would have to be a drone or something like that. 384 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,000 Look at how it's changing shape almost. 385 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:51,000 But we also know that Nellis Air Force Base, they've got some pretty high-tech stuff there, so it could potentially be just secret military technology. 386 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,000 It's certainly something that we can't explain. 387 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,000 That is an unidentified flying object. 388 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,000 I'll give you that one. 389 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:05,000 And we've got really recent sightings. Is it a disc? Is it an orb? And if that was a balloon, it wouldn't move that quickly. 390 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,000 It depends on the wind speed of the day. 391 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,000 Oh, true, suppose. 392 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:15,000 Let's head back to Rendlesham. How are we going to find our truth in this investigation? Where do we go next? 393 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:21,000 Well, there's one person we need to speak to, one person who might hold the key, Lieutenant Colonel Charles Holt. 394 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:27,000 We've read his transcript, we've heard his audio record, and he sounded as though he was really freaked out by the whole thing. 395 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,000 Yeah, and this is a man who's trained. He's a military man. 396 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:36,000 He led the investigation into this. He was there. He saw the second sighting. 397 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,000 Coming up. 398 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:46,000 There are really two stories here. What happened in the forest and what happened afterwards. 399 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:53,000 We tracked down the Lieutenant Colonel Charles Holt and hear his account of what happened at Rendlesham first hand. 400 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,000 It's like an unbelievable story, isn't it? 401 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,000 Oh my gosh, dude. 402 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,000 Wow, look at that man. Look at him cry. 403 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:10,000 We're exploring the deeply intertwined relationship between the military and unidentified flying objects. 404 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,000 Whoa, it's getting close. 405 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,000 What was that? 406 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,000 Splash. Mark bearing in range. 407 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:22,000 The focus of our investigation in this episode has been the infamous Rendlesham incident, 408 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:29,000 which has remained an unsolved mystery since it occurred in Suffolk in December 1980. 409 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:37,000 Okay, Sarah, we're investigating the most famous UFO sighting in British history. 410 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:43,000 An American air base say they saw a spacecraft crash into Rendlesham Woods. 411 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:48,000 They went to investigate. They saw scorch marks. They saw triangle and marks in the Earth. 412 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,000 They went back a couple of days later. 413 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:55,000 Lieutenant Colonel Charles Holt saw bright lights, things that were not of this world. 414 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,000 Okay, stop. Stop. 415 00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,000 Wait on. 416 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,000 Hey, this is Erie. This is Erie. 417 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,000 Erie, tell them I love the stars in the ground. 418 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,000 He sounded as though he was really freaked out by the whole thing. 419 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,000 Yeah, and this is a man who's trained. He's a military man. 420 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:16,000 It is interesting though that the MOD, the CIA, whoever else, was taking this seriously. 421 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:23,000 The MOD file shows how angry we were that items of evidence pertaining to the investigation 422 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,000 were removed and not shared with the UK. 423 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,000 Now, a leading journalist investigated at the same time. 424 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,000 He says it's a fireball that they saw. They saw the light from a lighthouse. 425 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,000 And the light in the sky was the dog star serious. 426 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:41,000 It's like so many UFO cases. It's a misidentification of normal stimuli. 427 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,000 Where did we go from here? 428 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,000 Well, Craig, I'm really divided on this one like you. 429 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,000 To me, we've got a credible scientific explanation. 430 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:54,000 Those three unrelated events, that makes me skeptical about this case. 431 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:59,000 But perhaps the final word should go to the man who was actually on the scene at Rendlesham 432 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,000 and explored the site in December 1980. 433 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,000 Former deputy base commander, Lieutenant Colonel Charles Holt. 434 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:11,000 We've tracked him down to Virginia to hear his story firsthand. 435 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,000 We are investigating the strange goings on in Rendlesham Woods. 436 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,000 You're the man in the know. You were there. 437 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,000 Can you tell us, convince us that it happened and tell us your story? 438 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:27,000 Three cops thought they saw a downed aircraft on the back gate at Woodbridge Base. 439 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,000 And three of them went out in the forest and investigated. 440 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,000 And they had some kind of an encounter. 441 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,000 The third night, the base commander said, 442 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,000 why don't you go and take a couple of people with you and go out there and put this thing to rest. 443 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,000 Can you just talk us through what happened? 444 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,000 We went across the base and went out into the forest. 445 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:48,000 And, more on behold, there are three indentations about an inch and a half or two inches deep. 446 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:53,000 And we look out into the farmer's field, which is directly across from us. 447 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,000 And there's a glowing object about the size of a large beach ball. 448 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,000 We watch it for a few minutes and I realized, I can't explain this. 449 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:06,000 And the object moves into the forest, obviously avoiding the trees. 450 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,000 And I'm thinking this is under intelligent control, whatever it is. 451 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,000 So we try and approach it. 452 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:16,000 The object goes back out into the farmer's field, directly between us and the farmhouse. 453 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:23,000 Suddenly, the object silently explodes into five white objects like fireworks and it's gone. 454 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,000 So let's go out in the field and see if we can find any evidence. 455 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,000 And somebody notices up in the sky, about three or four thousand feet, 456 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,000 are several elliptical shape objects with multiple-colored lights on. 457 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:42,000 And they're moving together in synchronization as though they're flying in a pattern. 458 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:47,000 And we notice two very bright white lights to the south. 459 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,000 One of the objects comes directly overhead at very high speed. 460 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,000 I mean, it's almost like instantaneously. 461 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,000 It stops directly over us. 462 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:59,000 It sends down like a laser beam about 10 or 15 feet from where we're standing here. 463 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,000 I'm really getting nervous. 464 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:06,000 Is this a weapon? Is this a warning? Is this some kind of communication? 465 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:11,000 They move over Bintwater Space and I can see them sending down beams there, 466 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,000 in or near the weapon storage area. 467 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,000 We could hear the chatter on the security radio net that the people in the weapon storage area 468 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,000 were seeing these beams too. 469 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:27,000 Well, it sounds...it sounds...it's a...it's like an unbelievable story, isn't it? 470 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,000 I can't come up with a rational explanation. 471 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,000 What I was thinking at the time was, why did I ever come out here? 472 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,000 Nobody's going to believe this. This is a problem. 473 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,000 So many of these sightings seem to be near military bases. 474 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,000 Is something which is drawing these objects in? 475 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,000 There's some type of attraction or some type of a power source. 476 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:53,000 The military base, obviously, in what we had and what we did probably was a great interest or whatever it is. 477 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,000 We've had one journalist Ian Ridpath. 478 00:35:55,000 --> 00:36:05,000 He dismisses your claims, Charles, by saying that what you saw was a fireball, a lighthouse, 479 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:12,000 and that the Dog Star series was right in the sky that night. 480 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,000 What did you say to that? 481 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,000 We know it wasn't the lighthouse. We could see the lighthouse. 482 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,000 Did you ever see a lighthouse move through the forest? 483 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,000 No, I did not. 484 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,000 Did you ever see a fireball send down a laser-like beam? 485 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,000 No, I did not. 486 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,000 He can think whatever he wants, but he wasn't there. 487 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:32,000 That is true. 488 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,000 That's a bad point. 489 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,000 The air traffic controllers saw the people in the weapon storage area. 490 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,000 There were 10 or 15 of them. All saw the objects in the sky. 491 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,000 Ian isn't listening. 492 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,000 What was the reaction from your superiors when you submitted the memo? 493 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:53,000 My superior actually believed me because I gave him the tape the following morning. 494 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,000 My memo was released against my wishes. 495 00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,000 It wasn't intended to go to the Ministry of Defense or to anybody else. 496 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,000 It was not career-enhancing. 497 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:08,000 You know, in 1980, UFO was a tab-boost subject for the military. 498 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:14,000 The reason the air traffic controllers didn't come forward until later after they retired 499 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:19,000 is they learned that other controllers that reported UFOs got decertified. 500 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,000 There are really two stories here. 501 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,000 What happened in the forest and what happened afterwards. 502 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:31,000 So the authorities have been suppressing this story for like 40 years. 503 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:36,000 What they did is they planted enough disinformation with several people 504 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:41,000 which clouded the whole issue and made it almost ridiculous. 505 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:46,000 When the CIA turned up on the base after the first night, why were they there? 506 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,000 That's a very good question. 507 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,000 Did they speak to you? 508 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,000 I don't have the answer to that. They were there to investigate, I'm sure. 509 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:59,000 Did any shadowy forces ever approach you and tell you to keep quiet? 510 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,000 No, I was never debriefed. 511 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:07,000 Right after the incident, a clean-up crew came in and tidied up the area. 512 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:12,000 I do know individuals that were involved in the first night that were debriefed with drugs and hypnosis 513 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:17,000 spooked, so to speak, CIA and probably British. 514 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,000 What they've done is they've given them screen memories. 515 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,000 In other words, false memories. 516 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:29,000 Are you saying that sort of military intelligence have messed with the memories of some of the people involved in this 517 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,000 to make them remember different... 518 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,000 I know they did. There's no doubt about it. 519 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,000 How do you feel about the embellishments that some people have added to the story? 520 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:43,000 I never intended to go public. Nobody wanted anything to do with it, and I was left hanging. 521 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:47,000 The only reason I've ever spoken out is there's so many people that claim crazy things. 522 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,000 It gets totally out of control. 523 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:55,000 The real truth is never going to come out to whoever is behind it decides it's time. 524 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,000 The truth needs to be out there. 525 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,000 Powerful. 526 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:13,000 Wow. The aftermath sounds just as intriguing as the event itself. 527 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:22,000 People getting their memories erased, the CIA on the site, kind of intimidation, dark forces. 528 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,000 It's all very odd, isn't it? 529 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,000 It is all very odd. I feel like some of this, we haven't got a lot of evidence brought in. 530 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,000 In terms of people having their memories erased, potentially drugs being used. 531 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,000 He can tell from the tone of his voice. He doesn't really want to talk about this. 532 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,000 He wants to move on with his life. It's like he's getting dragged into it. 533 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,000 He's not coming forward saying, look at me, look at me, I'm a professional UFOer. 534 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:50,000 We've sought out key expert and witness accounts and analysed an abundance of military documents. 535 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:55,000 But will we, from what we've seen and heard, be able to draw a conclusion? 536 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,000 Or will this legendary case remain shrouded in mystery? 537 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:12,000 One of the things I thought was quite convincing was Ian Ridpath's photograph of the lighthouse, which is there. 538 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:17,000 And this was Lieutenant Colonel Charles Holt's view through those trees. 539 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,000 But Charles Holt said, have you ever seen a lighthouse coming through the trees? 540 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:26,000 I'm hugely conflicted with this case. When we spoke to Ian Ridpath, I was convinced. 541 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,000 Case closed, we've solved it with science, but he wasn't there. 542 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:36,000 Then when we spoke to Lieutenant Colonel Charles Holt, his account was very compelling. He was there. 543 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:42,000 Before we reach our verdict, let's listen to that audio recording again of him in the woods. 544 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,000 There is no doubt about just some type of strange flashed road light in here. 545 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:52,000 Still, I saw a yellow tinge in it too. It's coming this way. It is definitely coming this way. 546 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,000 There is no doubt about it. This is weird. 547 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:03,000 That to me doesn't sound like someone seeing lights from a lighthouse in the trees. 548 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,000 And I keep thinking the military maps, they know the layer of the land. 549 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,000 Even if they hadn't been in that forest before, they know what's around. This is the military. 550 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:16,000 And these guys have a fear of being stigmatised and yet they still push forward with their claims. 551 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,000 And when you speak to Charles, you wish it hadn't happened. 552 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:28,000 And when you see all the M.O.D. involvement, you see the CIA, the accusations of people messing with memories, dark forces at work. 553 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,000 Something definitely strange happened in those woods. 554 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,000 I agree. That tape is credible. It's legitimate. 555 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,000 And the fact remains, Lieutenant Colonel Charles Holt, he was there. 556 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:45,000 I keep coming back to that thought that he was there. He witnessed this. 557 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,000 He's got no reason to lie. His superiors have taken this seriously. 558 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:55,000 Yet at the same time, others have now embellished the story and the truth's kind of got muddied somewhere in the water. 559 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,000 Okay, so watch your verdict. 560 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:05,000 Craig, this kills me somewhat because I want to side with science, but it really doesn't match the account of the person who was there. 561 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:10,000 Something went on in those woods that night and we don't know what it is. 562 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,000 So I'm going to say, case unsolved, but case ongoing. 563 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:28,000 It's no wonder the Rendell-Shem incident is a special place in the UFO Hall of Fame, confounding skeptics and believers alike. 564 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:35,000 Our due diligence has revealed the admission that key evidence was removed by the authorities, 565 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:41,000 proving this case to be far more complex than it appears on the surface. 566 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:52,000 But the lesson learned from this encounter and others like it is that someone or something is being repeatedly drawn to our military bases and installations. 567 00:42:53,000 --> 00:43:00,000 Perhaps curious to observe us or interested in our technology and weaponry. 568 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:10,000 Either way, we don't yet know if the unexplained objects in our skies are friend or foe. 569 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:21,000 A former lawyer takes up one last case after her brother is accused of murder. 570 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:28,000 The new Spanish drama, Ana, All In, stream free on SBS On Demand.